Greeting to all of the pretties, and fellows out there,
My name IsAliceand today! We are gog inback to wonderland. Now assuming people acctually care what I have to say I shall be rambling on about some different topics today. Which now you may be wondering "WHAT are they alice?!?!" I am assuming youa re so excited reading this that you are just on the edge of your seat! Which is most deffinatally not the case. :p
Over the last 24 hours, there has been an interesting evolution here on this website, I have seen what I would deem some of the best magic communities online, Which isn't saying much however! It shows that people here want to be able to interact with eachother and not have children and the trolls of the internet interfere with the deck building process.
Now we all know that there is nothing worse then a little kid geting all pissy about 1 comment on 1 deck, and for most of the members here this feels like it is a huge concern, however Fear not Alice is here to help you through this hard time! Though my blogs do not have fancy colours or the odd picture, I instead offer something else. I offer you insight on the things you could be feeling. Yes that does acctually mean that i can read your mind and that I am pyschic! I find that if I am not being silly it is just a hugehugehugee wall of text and no one wants that.
Now you may be wondering Alice how will you be helping us deal with the brats and runts of the magic deck building community? Well allow me to explain, I deem you all under my protection, should any one seek me over this website purely on this website.
And require one of the following things; I will happily go out of my way to help you deal with the problem, and or help you build your deck with out really reading any thing. As some of you may know I tend to get excited when I comment on a good deck, And well the result is a huge thing of text which may have nothing to do with your deck.
1. Some one is being mean on your deck, Without reason. ( if you are feeding the fire how do you expect me to deal with it, I am not a fireman!)
2. You need some new idea's for cards or you want to put together the best deck ever. ( Now I probally will help you here, but then I will post my own version faster and claim copyrights! Why should I be expected to share the best deck idea ever. :p )
3. There is some things bothering you and you aren't sure how to fix it. ( I am not a psychic investifagator and I am not a shrink! This is when you have a combo issue with your cards! I my self love all the crazy combo's and such, But some times they don't work in legacy or what ever play style. ( IF YOU ARE PLAYING COMMANDER DON'T EVEN COMMENT! ) hate commander lol. But I should beable to help work in a crazy combo into a good meta game deck! Which is always fun to have something very unique <3)
4. Lastly, These crazy things called deck conjunctions, Something I have seen is either blogs asking you to build a deck based off paramiters or something else like that. I WOULD LOVE to do something like that, But right now I will do any one I see posted if you ask me to! <3
Now FOR THE ACCTUALLY TOPIC ISSUES! Oh my. (ignore the rest if you just want to read problems and how to fix them.) ps. Figured out how to do colours!
So, Keep the acctual things I want to talk about in this issue section!
There are three things I want to adress and of course hear your thoughts on!
Why would you comment on some ones deck?
There are a couple reasons which I would see you commenting on some ones deck, The first is that you want to confess your undying love. For thier card choices *cough* cough*... Lets say they use your favorite card in a way you have never seen, and it turns out that it was the dumbest idea ever!, Thrun the last troll in a deck with no green mana. You can totally comment on that! But as you start you see that you are being kinda mean "Dumb mother fucker what the shit are you doing with my baby thrun!" Perhaps if that is the cast you shouldn't be commenting! However If you want to offer some ideas "Hey good chap, Maybe if you want to use thrun putting some green mana in your deck is a great way to start!" Good ideas and Helpful tips are normally welcome, IF they respond with a "FUCK YOU BITCH"
With could totally be the case, Just sigh and ignore them. AND GET ME. I will put the runts in thier place.
In all seriousness, You comment to learn about new combinations you don't know about, Learn new things about some cards you have never seen and to offer insight into a deck idea you normally wouldn't use which increases your ability as a magic deck builder.
How can you help others build thier decks without knowing what advice to offer?
Well, This one is interesting! A great way to start on a deck you don't know any thing about, Is this; "Hey, Can you explain your win conditions." now you could totally ask this a million and one ways but! you shouldn't! because who knows how the insane people of the internet will react. "Hey this deck looks worse then your mother after she gets naked wanna tell me about it?" I feel like that attempt at humor just didn't work pretend it didn't happen!!!! MOVE ON!!!
Another way you can help peoples is by telling them about things that worked for you in past games, NOW THIS IS NOT A PASS TO JUST GLOAT "oh man I KILLed this bitch with my runebear claw on turn 3 yo, I AM A GOD BWAHHAHA" You are not allowed to do that. Instead a responce that is like " Oh, This worked for me maybe you could try it next time" Kinda deal is the best way to go about any things! If you have any other fun ways to offer advice let me know haha :p
Why would you want to help any one?
This is imporant to understand, YOU ARE POSTING YOUR DECK IDEA's OR REAL DECKS ON A PUBLIC FOURM! You clearly WANT feedback on your idea's and though process, SO the best way to deal with something like this is to BE nice and comment on other people's decks, FIRST Make sure they speak english. If they don't speak english commenting on thier deck won't serve any good because they won't understand it and then get upset at you. (Happened to me and he rated one of my deck 1 for no real reason other then he was angry I can only assume) Next don't comment on the decks that are like OH HEY COMMENT PLSSLSLLSS cause those people WILL NOT comment on your things. If you go to a profile WITH A PICTURE, and look at thier activity and they are commenting and stuff, IT IS safe to assume they will comment back, and a little "comment back please if you have time" Is always acceptable if you ask nicely! You offered your thoughts, It is only curdious for them to give you theirs right?
How to deal with a troll.
This is going to be my favorite part! I am going to try to link a couple things, We will see if they work, ( They didn't work) Here are some examples of how not to deal with a troll.
That is a deck that I personally loved, Loved the idea of a blue white aura, and I love Kor spirit dancers!
But the comment after mine didn't make to much sense, since what ever he could be on drugs for all i know. But he just kind of kept talking, These trolls are gross. They openly admit they are trolling, And then just say random things and really don't read what you are saying. My comments are totally not how you should deal with the troll. This is an example OF FEEDING THE TROLL, Trolls are normally Ugly people in real life who want to make others feel how they feel in real life. Best way to deal with this type of troll is to just ignore them. Sure they may keep commenting, But really who cares? Not me, Not you, If they get no attention They go away.
Next is a Bamf Troll,
It is a link to a blog which isn't a blog, more of a Kid just trying to get comments, I later told him to go to the forums if he wants help like that. BUT, this trolls name is Sleazebag, and I AM IN LOVE . I laughed for 10 minutes, He offered a comment about the deck, Then commented on the blog. And He could not have been more honest. These trolls don't really need to be dealt with, They just go about thier own bussiness and as long as you don't get ignorate with them, they won't bug you! on a side note SLEAZEBAG COME TROLL MY BLOG! lol <3 ALRIGHT THE END CREDITS
Thank you if you took time to real this, I have fun writing them and I respond to all the comments <3 so if you comment and give me your thoughts on things I will totally resond, Right away most of the time! Next is Leave YOUR THOUGHTS. That is an order, If you read this all I want to hear your opinion.
Next Is, Leave a comment asking for deck comments, and I will happily comment based on the amount of effort you put into your comment here!
Damn straight, the second part should be required reading before posting on any forum. Alice, I salute you. The simple fact is that we have all been there and done or seen people saying stupid shit. And if you are willing to nosedive in to that mess and actually HELP people then you are a far stronger person than I am (a much, much stronger person than I am....). Anyway this is all good advice (even though my profile does not hava a picture, I still tend to write on people's decks, whether or not they ignore me, I want to see the general standard of deckbuilding go up).
Oh, and by the way, watch your typing, its a minor thing, but people get pissy about bad english.
Addendum: seeing as you are offering to comment on decks, assuming you know what you are doing please do take a look at this little monstrousity, I'm trying to make a competetive modern deck out of izzet guildmages. Could use a little advice from another person (like I said, ASSUMING you really do know what you are doing).
http://www.mtgdeckbuilder.net/Decks/ViewDeck/195863 (if the link doesnt work then just look through my list of decks for the latest version of 'izzet guildmage combo')
Haha, I think my largest mistake while writing this was the fact that there their and they're may all be messed up. I wrote it in under 6 minutes and just didn't proof read :(
THANK YOU for the comment, I am in the process of fixing things but THANK YOU for reading it all and I will of course be more then happy to comment on all of your stuffs and give you feed back. <3 [Report]
Seriously, its no problem, anyone trying to help this community has my full support. Do you want me to look over any of your stuff, I have some experience in pro tours, so I may be able to help. [Report]
Not currently, My deck building skills are fairly solid, Won more then 30 FNM's over my magic career :p Thank you though~ <3 I left you a comment I hope it helps though it may not be what you were looking for. [Report]
This was quite a fun read, i do especially like your categorizing of trolls. I haven't played magic for a huge amount of time (tried when i was younger and just enjoyed looking at the pictures didn't really understand it then) now I've been playing for about a year and still improving. I feel like my deck building skills are fairly solid, i just make decks i find fun and I've gone around browsing on here commenting on a few decks (ironically on a deck called "plzcommentplz!! just before i read your blog, but the man seriously needed some advice on a zombie token deck.) it was a rather good way to was sometime in the morning reading this and i was wondering if you could take a look at one of my decks for me? I have been playing with a deck built around flicker and it has been steadily improving, I've had it on here because i actually do use the test function to try out decks but sadly no one has commented at all for any tips. If you could just browse i would appreciate it thanks! once again a very fun blog post. [Report]
As a fairly new person to this site, I found your post to be very helpful and informative. Hopefully, everyone who reads this does take it to heart. If you get a chance I have a deck I've been tweaking the past week and need some opinions from others. [Report]
This could not be more true, You already commented on all my stuff, and thank you for helping me deal with the trolls :( no idea why they hate me so much. People taking things serious means they get hurt easy I guess. Everyone should be forced to read this before they make their account. [Report]
Honestly, I wish that there was a way to anonymously comment. Whenever I see a bad deck, a REALLY bad deck. I usually don't comment and rate because I have seen many situation where people will 1 star all of your decks for something like that (stupid, right?) I remember a while ago a certain user randomly 1 stared one of my decks and didn't leave a comment. When I checked out his decks they were pretty bad (I would have given them 2 stars.) Honestly I wanted nothing more then to 2 star their deck and tell them how bad they were (and how they could be improved of course) but decided not to because they could decide to go on a hating spree.
I know many people who are in the same situation and would love a way to rate and comment anonymously (without the need to make a second account of course.) [Report]
Such a shame, If it happens again let me knowwww I shall rain down a firely hell of verbal whiplash! lol Unless I am the only leaving the 1 star :p then you need to delete the deck! lol People just need to grow up. So many little kids everywhere. they need to go back to highschool. [Report]
honestly, really bad decks, like, you know, the REALLY REALLY bad ones arent worth touching anyway, everyone starts out crap at the game so its probably best to leave them alone unless they draw attention to themselves on purpose. Otherwise you are just attracting bile from people who won't accept your help anyway.
Hell, my first ever deck was a 76 card mono white lifegain deck with 18 lands and 4 rod of ruin's, and at the time I would have sued anyone who didnt tell me it was teh best thing evah! immature people will be immature. [Report]
Brovo another splendid blog but, only if we didn't have to deal with such trolls it wouldn't be use for this but, but, thank you for posting this to enlightening everyone. Next:@Mordencranst how did your first deck even draw lands O.o?! Last but, not least:@A_Laser_Kitten I followed the link to the troll page, but couldn't help to comment on your deck I hope you don't mind. [Report]
Constructive Criticism: Grammar Check Offered solution: Copy/Paste in Word, let Word do it's 'thang' then repost.
About 'how to deal with trolls' In a sentence: Arguing with a troll is like wrestling with a pig, you'll both get dirty and the pig will enjoy it. On 'trolls' that give sound advise, albeit tactlessly: Take the advise, ignore the rudeness and respond with a politeness. On 'fishing' for comments and ratings. Don't sit on the corner holding a sign, sticking your thumb out begging for comments and ratings. Get up, go across the street and look at the 'other dudes' deck then comment (politely, lest ye be esteemed as a troll) on his deck, rate it then go back across the street, to the guy standing next to you, and then comment and rate his deck. Then go back across the street, again, to the guy next to the first one and do the same. The more you repeat this process, the more comments and ratings on your own decks will naturally follow. The evidence: Track the authors history and presence on this site and you'll see this ripple effect she has caused (I will refer to the author as female based on the authors own preferred screen name and picture. See rule 37) [Report]
I am confused~ Should I be offended by you Ajax, Or are you on my side. I want everyone to intermingle and for the people who comment on my things to interact with one another~ more then just commenting and rating my things. Though attention is wonderful.
Also Master Bolas~ :p I would rather you call it Kids Come For Candy, This would attract me. lol
One more idea to share. What if we started off small as a community and did something where we could choose someone (probably you AliceBlk) to post a main blog that will be for people to post one or two decks at a time in the comments with brief descriptions so that other commenters can look at the ideas and make suggestions/insights and whatnot. Just an idea.
On a side and more direct note Alice: I took another look at that Angels deck and I think your right about needing a better early game. I tried a different approach on the idea.
Also, I mostly try to stick within Avacyn and M13 just so the deck can last me awhile before it gets cycled out. Once the new set comes out I'll probably doctor in a few cards from that into my Standard decks as well. [Report]
This is one of my favorite forum posts... i have recently been fealing the same thing and its nice to know that i am not alone... also i would love to take you up on deck building help i recently posted my deck i've been creating and recreating for the last year now. the most recent change is adding black to make it my first 5 color deck and would like help bringing it down or closer to 60 cards :) please comment on it, or edit the deck down
here is the link: http://www.mtgdeckbuilder.net/Decks/ViewDeck/211673 if the link doesn't work it'll be on my decklist under "my best deck" [Report]
Salg, Don't sound so excited you are just too pumped :P haha
Uhmmm, I kind of follow mr.Flower but! this would require people to acctually wish to participate. And sadly from what I have come across, There are trolls who have other accounts that if something is voted higher then their deck they just vote spam you down lol Which really doesn't matter to me. But for an example, me and three of your friends vote your newest deck up all of us love it. Then the greedy haters which dwell hear decided that they want thier deck to be on the top. So! the fat little kids that they are make 20-30 accounts and just control what comes where, etc. All while pretended to be ignorant about it because really how could some one prove it ;) I will forsure check out your deck :) and For everyone who comments, I most certainly will read over your decks and vote them :) (once the tips process has ended and you remind me :P)
D3fied, Normally, there will be lots of people who feel like I do, and just don't say it because they dont want to be the spot light for fear of hate on their decks, However, I didn't post my decks for comment or votes. I posted my three decks that have the most wins at FNM and in local turni's just so that if people are having a hard time with a deck idea they can look at mine and maybe be like oh alright i see what you did that is really simple! and use a card or two in thier deck that they didnt know about be for. Or atleast that is what I had intended! :p
And Finallyyyyy Mr.White, You are not a huge troll at all, I've followed your comments around and for the most part every point you've made holds a certain amount of merit. And you are bold like I where you can deal with the other trolls you may come across. And yes I did infact join the site. I had an account with just over a couple thousand views on some modern decks before the wipe. But I decided, Since that account wasn't my real name. Lets try to whip everyone into a commenting and ratting frenzy with some pep and long blogs with poor grammar. :p [Report]
Alice I am hurt, I even changed my avatar just for you...
I think if you really want to help the community to improve, it would be worthwhile making a blog entry targeted at the users who down vote decks before stopping to ask and understand how they even work, particularly given it appears impossible to change a vote.
Likewise the build up of users over time who post incorrect criticisms in formats they are not accustomed to can also devalue a community. Please consider promoting knowledge and discovery over comment counts. [Report]
Ohhh my, a blog about me! I feel humbled and honored. Well, more like a passing mention, but I feel like I was the catalyst.
As for your declaration of love, Im sorry for not being able to return your affection at this time, as Im not currently looking for a long distance relationship.
Now, onto your wanton use of the word troll. There has been plenty of misuse of the word troll the last years. A troll is someone who deceives, derails (I might be rude, but please dont say I go off-topic), or is generally a nuisance for the sole intention of being a nuisance. Im just rude to people who dont deserve my affection, and even then Im still helping them. To use the blog you posted as an example, a troll would be telling him that Killing Wave is the best boardwipe in the world and he should run four of them. A troll would recommend Firewing Phoenix in a deck splashing red (the casting cost is only 3R guys!), etc. Big difference, wouldnt you say?
The funny thing about this blog, was that I was considering posting a similar one! Excluding the "learn things about decks and fix the community" and with more focus on "How to ask for advice properly, what constitutes to a blog, and why we dont want to hear why your goddamn deck is so amazing (although we do in the forum section)"
PS: Please comment and rate all my EDH decks! PSS: I know you want to. [Report]
Also master eyebrow man~ If you want That will be the focus of the next one, But any one who is down voting at all. IS childish, I too have been super victimized, howeverrrrr It doesn't really matter because if you are confident in your deck building skill having other people down vote with out reason just means they are hurt about how much better your deck is then thiers, I'll go vote up w.e deck you were talking about aswell, as a show of good faith.
Dear Mr.Sleaze, How unfortunate. Never been turned down before! First time for everything I suppose. But when did I state you went off topic, You logically trolled him. Using your knowledge pointing out flaws and then saying how to fix them, without playing nice. It is how I function, you are simply an alpha~ on the side note, I will totally write the next blog with your help should you offer apparently the topic will be little children who down vote. :p Also, anyone who is LIKE MIE DAKE SO GOUD should probably be put down with some sort of poison. And perhaps you may get a comment or two about how horrible commander is on your decks. BUT NOTHING MORE lol [Report]
Well just ask sleazebag over there so come sit on your decks and I am certain you will get what you want haha, My fortae isn't black decks~ I like white green blue and red, :P I can work with those black no so much. When you give me black you get a vampire deck and a Discard deck that can make sure you never get anything but lands on the playing field which is no fun to play against :P [Report]
Unfortunately I have been in a state of apathy when it comes to commenting decks on this website after the database reset a short time ago. I had about 100 decks, most of them ranging between 500 and 15,000 views with long discussions and arguments. All gone overnight. I was so heartbroken.
Maybe I should try uploading some of them from Cockatrice (I only created about 1/10th of them there, but thats a few I guess).
Ohh, and do you want the ultimate tips on how to get deck views? The best of the best? Cream of the crop? Etc, etc?
Make relevant decks.
When M12 came out and the illusion lord was spoiled, many were trying to build a standard viable illusion deck. Unfortunately that didnt work, but I was among those who tried. Many others tried as well apparently, as it got thousands of views. Now its deleted. Which is kinda sad.
Lets say you made an Exalted deck the moment M13 got spoiled. Im sure that got a few hundred views in a single day. Without even showing up among top searches on google!
When the commander decks got spoiled, making a Zedruu deck would get you tons of views, as he was the least obvious general to build around.
All in all, it builds down to how many other people are trying to build a similar deck right now? Its important to note that if there already exists three thousand variations (for example Cawblade) and hundreds of professional blogs on the topic, you wont probably wont get that many views.
Quirky decks wont get that many views, but that isnt really important, is it? [Report]
I would say for the community stand point, It is more valued to have feed back over views and ratings. Like for example, I don't really care about the views and comments and ratting on my decks because I have from them a Blog where I get to show people how to do things, and then a fourm post for building joint things together with that said, decks views and comments are all important to other people so hence why I offer to extend my knowledge of standard and legacy to other people :p in the form of comments, However in your case when you are like, OH HELLO commader up in here. I am like shoot me now. I used this deck for testing before they cleared the server and didn't really comment or rate, but it did bother me how people with more then one account did control who was at the top rated decks and not who really deserved it. Decks that have no real way of winning and are "fun" really have no place in my heart because I love going to fnm or galaxy night, and winning and getting stuff for the hard work I put into my cards. And if people want to waste money on "fun decks" more power to them. However you won't get to the top by sucking on your thumb~ :P [Report]
I may have already commented lol~ much to fast for you. Also, hence why showing people how to comment is important. Because some of the community is new kids learning so if they comment and they are like the duck am i doing. They are really just being more of a hinderance they a help. However, even they may have a card that you have never seen or known about since there is something like 200k unique cards ? [Report]
MAN I Was way off, Talk about awkward lol. Anyways who knows I mean I Love seeing decks with thrun, Solem and metamorph the most, and comment saying I like this one card you used :p I am sure that must get annoying lol [Report]
It is just a jungle right now~ lol, My blogs have gotten a good amount of buzz, maybe even some people reported them which would force the mods to read it :P and impliment new ideas? who knows. But I mean some people don't have the SIQ level high enough to understand what I am saying in the blogs and let alone apply it. Those are the brain dead trolls. ~ Have only seen a couple here. And I can proudly say I did not play nice. lol [Report]
@Sleazebag Forbidden alchemy is better the index, but don't underestimate inedex's power. The ability to predict every single draw you have for the next 5 turns for only 1 blue mana is pretty powerful. The funnest thing to do is to couple it with delver to get it to transform asap, and it also gives you a card draw of those 5 cards. Honestly, I don't believe it should be a common (just like mana leak.) [Report]
@yshabash You are entitled to your opinion, but I heartfully disagree. Completely.
This is sorcery speed card disadvantage, the antithesis of blue control. You look at your top 5 card, find out that only one of them is good, put that on top, draw it the next turn, then fold because the rest of your draws were so goddamn shitty.
If it was a ponder, you could have shuffled AND you draw a card. It sucks, hard. [Report]
*Time travel* In response to those comments about interesting deck names: YES XD I sometimes think I spent more time and energy on writing up the description and deck name than the deck itself. So (I like to think:) that my deck names are interesting (They probably aren't... but they are different). *Back to present* What do you mean Jund gets no love? D= Why? I'll go give it some sweet loving. [Report]